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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:51 pm

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:00 pm

hahahaha right know I think nothing would be better. I'm not trying to be a prick, but Obama isn't doing anything for our economy. Look at all FDR did in his first 100 days in office. Look at all Obama has done. Yeah I'd say he's not trying that hard
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:02 pm

All politicians are doing a bad job right now. Maybe its always been that way and I've just realized it now

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:12 am

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How is my family worse off? Well for one, my father is forced do be a long distance truck driver since Obama is choosing to spend all the "bailout" money on the auto industries rather than giving it to the hard working families who lost their jobs and can't afford to live. Another way that we are worse off is how my brother lost his job while he has a daughter to support. Another way we are worse off is how my mother took a 4% pay cut to her salary and now she can barely afford to keep our house. Yeah I'd say things are pretty bad in my area.


look Brute, I respect you, but Obama hasn't done anything for the economy yet. He spends all the time he allots to the economy on the automotive industry, which is important don't get me wrong, but he should be trying to help the families right now. Instead of spending billions upon billions of dollars on the auto industry, why not give it to the American people? Somebody figured out how much that would be per person, and I think it was close to a million dollars. Our economy would be fixed. People would be afford to make their house payments. People would have more spare money so they could take out loans and be able to pay them back, thus fixing the lending mess. Also, people will be able to spend money on new cars and other things they probably don't need, which would boost the economy way up. But instead of doing anything like that, Obama is pretty much forgetting about the people who can't afford to live. Look, I turn 18 in less than a year and I can't afford to get my license because I can't afford insurance. I can't find a job, since over 20% of people in my county are out of work. Since I can't get a job, I can't start a savings account for college. Things are really looking bad.


And, you might say that Obama is giving the American people those stimulus checks. Well, according the way the money was supposed to be sent out, my mother was supposed to get about 1200 dollars from that. She got like 50, because apparently she makes too much money, even though we can barely afford to live in my house.
not even close to 20%
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&tdim=true&q=unemployment+rate#met=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST180000&tdim=true
the stimulus plan was shady from the moment i heard of it. i dont think we got anything either
many 18 year olds cannot afford insurance these days. come to think of it, i can count off 20 friends i have, and im the only one that pays for his insurance. you are not in the minority.
you can get student loans for college, hell anybody can, thats what im going to do. also, i dont know the particulars, but obama has set plans for students so they dont pay more or sth if you are a student with loans (please find a link someone)

giving money to hard working families accomplishes nothing. they will either put it in savings to hold it until the economy turns around, or they will use it to pay off their debt. i think it is better spent trying to keep the MAJOR businesses afloat. i mean look what the gov did to the airline industry, you might be a liiiiitle young, hell i am even a little young, but the airline industry almost went belly up 10 years ago. now it is doing much better thanks to the gov involvment


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Obama
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what is this "kanadian politiks" you speak of?

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hahahaha right know I think nothing would be better. I'm not trying to be a prick, but Obama isn't doing anything for our economy. Look at all FDR did in his first 100 days in office. Look at all Obama has done. Yeah I'd say he's not trying that hard

what did fdrt do in his forst 100 days that drastically altered our economy. we didnt feel the effects of his change until many years into his presidency

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:29 pm

Well Brute, they didn't drastically do anything. BUT, he did something, and some of his policies actually turned out to do decent things. Personally, I think FDR is a socialist and I dislike how he did things, but I also don't complain because his policies worked, along with a major World War lol. I think that's what we need to turn our economy around.

But anyway, you didn't look up individual county statistics. Obama made at least 3 visits here for his televised town hall meetings while he was running, because we have the highest unemployment rate in the country. I think it's bordering 20%. That statistic you posted was just the average of the state.

But I don't want to argue with you. I think Obama needs to try a different approach, like actually doing something.

And just so you know, I think if every family had a MILLION dollars, there would be plenty to save and plenty to spend. It would all boost our economy, because putting money in savings helps the bank out. Anything regular people would do with their money would benefit our economy. Well, except if they decide they want to burn it or something. But seriously, paying off debts would help too.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:05 am

your right, i re-read your statement and you clearly stated in your county, my bad

no, putting money into banks is a poor idea. they got themselves into the situation they are in now by lending what they didnt have and to people with poor credit who couldnt pay it back.

and no, it isnt a matter of what you thin, FDR was extremely socialist. idk if his views were, but during that time, thats what he acted as and thats what we needed. and it worked.

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:14 am

Yes of course. I don't like the fact that they were socialist views and ideas, but in extreme times like that you need extreme measures.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:56 am

Very right wing for me.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:01 am

oooh
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:34 am

Dedicated Socialist.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:02 pm

Socialism! That's almost as bad as aids

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Socialism! That's almost as bad as aids

Socialism is definitely worse than aids. Aids isn't stealing out of my pocket and using the money to give free health care to tax avoiding drug addicts, keeping them alive so they can spread aids.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:23 am

Tax avoiding drug addicts are what, like 5% tops of the population? (and even 5% is most likely a staggering exaggeration) Socialism also takes your tax money and gives free health care to....

YOU.

Also, who would want libraries, a police force, paved roads, fire departments, a military, or hundreds of other things your tax dollars pay for?
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:10 pm

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:45 pm

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Tax avoiding drug addicts are what, like 5% tops of the population? (and even 5% is most likely a staggering exaggeration) Socialism also takes your tax money and gives free health care to....

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Also, who would want libraries, a police force, paved roads, fire departments, a military, or hundreds of other things your tax dollars pay for?

I have something for you to think about. We get socialized health care, how many people do you think are going to be going to the hospital for anything? A lot damn more. Here are a few videos that demonstrate what doing this will do to our health care and economy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yxFtTwDcc

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:48 pm

11 liberals here
5 conservatives here

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:24 am

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Tax avoiding drug addicts are what, like 5% tops of the population? (and even 5% is most likely a staggering exaggeration) Socialism also takes your tax money and gives free health care to....

YOU.

Also, who would want libraries, a police force, paved roads, fire departments, a military, or hundreds of other things your tax dollars pay for?

I have something for you to think about. We get socialized health care, how many people do you think are going to be going to the hospital for anything? A lot damn more. Here are a few videos that demonstrate what doing this will do to our health care and economy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yxFtTwDcc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqD-nMpsYAY

In other words: People who weren't able to go to the hospital are going to be able to now?

Isn't that, I dunno, the whole point?
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:35 pm

Lol the funny thing about your statement is it completely disregards the fact that socialized medicine will fail just like medicaid.

The whole point is to give decent health care to all people, because sometimes health costs are outrageous. The thing is, if you have to schedule and appointment you have to wait for a long ass time. Also, have you heard about the lady in Canada who couldn't get the proper drugs for her cancer treatment because the government's health care plan only allows for certain drugs? So, the drug company's gave them to her for free because socialized health care is a flawed idea.

But we can agree to disagree, I am fairly certain we won't let our country turn into a socialist nation
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:39 pm

i say socialized medicaer...but make it like the internet. if you want the premium service you have to pay. you can use the service for free, but the people who want mreo should pay for it



that could also be a rediculous idea

and axe, it is a way of life. we should treat people as they are. they are people. they deserved to be treate like people, not becuase they dont have money

also, you or i dont require as much healthcare....but we will eventually. so we pay into the system now, and then in 50 or 60 years, we collect on our children's childrens money to help pay for our livers and cancer.

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:49 pm

In theory, yes it's great. Everyone gets what they need and it's fine. But I think we can have better solutions than socialized medicine.

My idea is this. We get rid of medicaid. We trash it completely, and set up a new system that takes care of people if they are under a certain set income. You see, the problems with trying to give everyone health care is that there isn't enough money to give everyone the health care we need. Your theory is a little better Brute, because that way people can actually pay to receive good health care. But I think it's asinine to say that we should give everyone the same mediocre health care, and not give them to the opportunity to pay for good health care.

But I agree, we need to take care of others if we can. We don't need a horrible system that doesn't work to do it though.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:53 pm

what, and trashing the healthcare system we have will be cheap and easy?

it took years to finally cut analog broadcasting to televisions. they had coupons coming out the wazoo and set the final date and pushed that back several times cuse stupid ridiculous people took forever.

if switching from bunny ears o digital broadcast is difficult, there is no way we are inventing a new healthcare system

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:55 pm

I'm gonna be honest Brute, I don't have a clue what that has to do with what we are talking about. That sounds like an argument against a health care reform
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:57 pm

you suggested to totally throw it out.
i think we should just throw out the way to pay. the level of care stays the same. no new doctors, just your bill. far easier than "inventing" a new system like you suggested

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:59 pm

No, I mean completely throw out medicaid since it's failing anyway. Not our health care policy, just medicaid
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:12 am

I'm against socialized healthcare. We have gone over 200 years without it and have thrived well, bringing this in now is one more step towards outright socialism imo.
One big problem that I see with it, is all the hypochondria (yeah, I know I can't spell) that would burn the money supply like there's no tomorrow. If people get free checkups and shots they're gonna be filling the hospitals and majorly depriving the people who may really need something.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:00 pm

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I'm against socialized healthcare. We have gone over 200 years without it and have thrived well, bringing this in now is one more step towards outright socialism imo.
One big problem that I see with it, is all the hypochondria (yeah, I know I can't spell) that would burn the money supply like there's no tomorrow. If people get free checkups and shots they're gonna be filling the hospitals and majorly depriving the people who may really need something.

The problem is, we haven't thrived. Sure, if you're middle class or above you've probably never had to worry about medical treatment before. But you've clearly never been to an inner city hospital.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:17 pm

Portrait makes a valid point with that one.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:27 pm

i have never been to a inner city hospital....and i KNOW that healthcare is not doing well. im very privalged with the healthcare i get

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:15 pm

Brute, that is exactly it. Healthcare is a privilege, not a right.

We don't need to give everyone a ton of stuff that they probably don't need, and that's what would happen with socialized health care. A lot of people would cry about stuff that doesn't really matter.

But , if we come up with a plan that gives the poor and needy decent health care, that would be good. But I also don't think it's the responsibility of the rich to give to the poor.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:21 pm

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Brute, that is exactly it. Healthcare is a privilege, not a right.

We don't need to give everyone a ton of stuff that they probably don't need, and that's what would happen with socialized health care. A lot of people would cry about stuff that doesn't really matter.

But , if we come up with a plan that gives the poor and needy decent health care, that would be good. But I also don't think it's the responsibility of the rich to give to the poor.
your wrong...healthcare shouldnt be a privilage. Driving a car is a privilage. Being healthy is a right. just because you cant afford to be healthy doesnt mean everyone has to look you over

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:26 pm

Yes being healthy is a right, but should we force our medical personnel to work for nothing? Because trust me, that's what will happen.

My family will lose our house if we ever have socialized medicine because my mother would make about half as much as she does now.

You have to realize, that is a business. You can't just give people stuff for free like that, because then the whole system gets screwed up. You have medical employees who went to college for four years or more who make a pittance, and you have people at the hospital who sometimes don't need to be there, and you have the lowest of low medical care because all of the money is going towards giving EVERYONE health care rather than actually improving medical practices.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:22 pm

i highly doubt your mother would get paid any less.

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:31 pm

Yeah, yeah she will. Considering the government will be paying less for the medical treatments.

Dude, I know about this. I'm not saying I'm right, but I'm saying my mother knows what will happen to her work. But even if she didn't get paid less, all the other things I said would happen so yeah.


So what would you propose we do if you were president, Brute? Would you give everyone in the country optimal health care? Because if we did that we would have to raise taxes by a sh!t load, and that would defeat the purpose of giving the poor health care if we made them pay more, so would we just charge the mid - high class families more taxes?

And just so you know, this is a friendly discussion. I'm not attacking you, but I would like to know what you think we should do
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:47 pm

im aware

and truthfully, i didnt go to harvard....i dint serve as a senator. i havent the slightest idea what to do. but i elected a man that con do that. so i think both parties need to stop bitching at each other and start acting their age.

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:58 pm

I don't really care about the parties, really. Personally, I think most politicians are self-centered asses.

Somehow I think we should just avoid talking about politics. You always get pissed at me : )
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:36 am

I put center right. I think that best describes what I feel is best for my country at this time according to how everything is sorted into sides. Both sides have a few things that I think are absurd and so I can't really say I side with either group. I am an individual and my beliefs are my own. I can't just follow in a group and accept their beliefs as my own, mostly because I've yet to find any group whose views mach exactly to my own.

I don't expect to find any such group and I think it's best to stay separate from such things anyway. Getting involved in political and belief oriented organizations seems to discourage individuality and free thinking and I can't see how that's productive in anyway. Even if it where productive to some cause, my individuality and free thinking are too precious for me to sacrifice it over pretty much anything.

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:29 pm

That almost perfectly describes me. I mean, when I say I'm conservative people automatically assume I'm some dickhead. No, I just think that more of my beliefs tend to be conservative beliefs.

But I find that liberals and conservatives both have good viewpoints, and utterly absurd ones that don't make any sense. But that's probably how I would describe myself, a more right winged individual BUT an individual, so that means I don't adhere to EVERYTHING that conservatives and republicans say. I subscribe to my beliefs
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:15 pm

I put very left wing, because I strongly support it's views basically (not to be rude to anyone) I just think the only reason there is conservatism is because people are too greedy.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:11 pm

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That almost perfectly describes me. I mean, when I say I'm conservative people automatically assume I'm some dickhead. No, I just think that more of my beliefs tend to be conservative beliefs.

But I find that liberals and conservatives both have good viewpoints, and utterly absurd ones that don't make any sense. But that's probably how I would describe myself, a more right winged individual BUT an individual, so that means I don't adhere to EVERYTHING that conservatives and republicans say. I subscribe to my beliefs

I'd put you at like mid-right. I really wouldn't say you're center at all...
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:18 pm

yeah, not to instigate any fights....but PoS is correct

well, i think on the major issues you have talked about, such as abortion and gay rights, you do have a more left than center view.
but as for other things....you deviate to the right. no hard feelings, its just what i think we have observed

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:19 pm

Well I think the things that make me more right is my capitalist and laissez faire. I've found out recently that I may be considered a capitalist libertarian, but I need to do more research before I call myself that. I disagree with most libertarians, but apparently libertarianism is just a belief in personal freedom. Those people just happen to be liberals or socialists.

I believe strongly in personal freedom, just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean you can't agree with it, and it doesn't mean I have the right to tell you what to do. But I believe in free market capitalism, and minimal government interferance. Those are the fundamentals of my belief system
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:39 pm

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I believe strongly in personal freedom, just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean you can't agree with it, and it doesn't mean I have the right to tell you what to do. But I believe in free market capitalism, and minimal government interferance. Those are the fundamentals of my belief system

So you're left wing when it comes to social issues, economically and politically you're far to the right.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:45 pm

That's kinda the way I see it. See I don't support gay marriage, abortion, etc but I don't think I have the right to tell others they can't do something. Well, abortion is a little sketchy. I think it should be legal under certain conditions. Like the mother would have to be way underrage, have AIDS, or have been raped or something. I don't think just anybody should be able to walk into a clinic and have their unborn child killed because they were irresponsible. But politically and economically, I am extremely right wing
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:18 pm

Skimmed through the topic and all I read was "blah blah yabber yabber hurr durr derpa derp"

As for as politics go, I'm so far left that I end up falling off the scale
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:08 pm

What government is in power in the land of Location: Zgsdfgtll?

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:03 pm

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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:48 am

Well what would a gun toting , Wipe my ass on your gun laws , Freedom fighting , Eat the rich & give jobs to the poor , x marine who just joined the national guard be ?
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:08 am

Try taking the political compass test:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Some of the questions are odd but I think it's pretty good.
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PostSubject: Re: How liberal (left wing) or conservative (right wing) are you   Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:21 am

Almost dead centre of the left/liberterian box.
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