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PostSubject: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:10 pm

Why is it that Liberals are for abortion and Conservatives are against it? It doesn't make sense to me
Liberals are usually more steered towards balancing out money and looking after everyone, even those who don't deserve it. Usually anti war
Conservatives usually benefit the upper class. Usually pro war

So why is it that the more balanced class is for abortion?

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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:09 pm

Well byd, that is because your definitions are based off of stereotypical views. Liberal, at it's bare definition, means do whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect me. Conservative means that we should try to have rules to prevent some things that people might not agree with, such as abortion.

See, the reason I don't consider myself a democrat (which are usually liberals) is because I believe that the nation can look after itself. We need rules in place for things, but we don't need the government regulating our economy, because that destroys free capitalism. Your definition of a conservative is a very biased opinion which in no way defines the word conservative.
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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:21 pm

I wanted to state the mere essentials, I know its a generic definition
But I don't think Liberals destroy capitalism

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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:24 pm

ehhh...
the way i see it....conservatives want to keep things the way they are. little change....not negative statement, they dont want new taxes, no gay rights, no abortion

liberals want to change practically everything. i would like to think that they want to move forward, but this two party system is totally sucking right now.

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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:32 pm

That's pretty much right. The literal definition of conservative is very little. But that just means we need to slow down.
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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:55 pm

Hmm but we do need expansion as the population is shooting up
In all honesty, we'll never know which one is the better
In the end the politicians all pretty much do the same thing
Has anyone heard PhillyD's Coke, Diet Coke analogy?

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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:59 pm

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Hmm but we do need expansion as the population is shooting up
In all honesty, we'll never know which one is the better
In the end the politicians all pretty much do the same thing
Has anyone heard PhillyD's Coke, Diet Coke analogy?
i have not


and neither party is better, robin williams has famously said it is the one that scares you the least

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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:03 pm

He said that Obama is similar to Bush
Having Obama in charge is like having a Diet coke instead of a coke
You're still getting the same thing only with a slightly personalized twist

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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:09 pm

I used to be skeptical of Obama, now I just straight up dislike him. He hasn't done a GODDAMN thing that he said he was going to yet, and the economy is worse off than when Bush was in office. My brother, who has a baby girl, lost his job and is forced to live here at home now, my mother took a 4% pay cut, which doesn't seem like much, but now she can barely afford to pay her bills. He is only hurting us worse
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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:17 pm

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I used to be skeptical of Obama, now I just straight up dislike him. He hasn't done a GODDAMN thing that he said he was going to yet, and the economy is worse off than when Bush was in office. My brother, who has a baby girl, lost his job and is forced to live here at home now, my mother took a 4% pay cut, which doesn't seem like much, but now she can barely afford to pay her bills. He is only hurting us worse

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the true extent of the bush horror is hitting.
and i read stuff (i sound so smart) about the economy. we are just in a down time. that has nothign to do with who is leading the country. the experts thing the econmy will represent a "W" go down, then go up slightly, then go down again, then proceed on the incline. we are at the fist little down. we as a country have always had big economic crashes. i mean for gods sake, look at the '87 crash. Hate might know about this, but times were worse then they are now. i have heard numerous stores agreeing to this. carter was in presidency, and Regan ended up inheriting the mess. democrat to republican, the ame thing happened now, onlky switched.
we really know very little about how the economy works, or how to stop the major crashes. the down time we are in now is just a down time, we will come out of it. i dont think you cna blame it on the president for sitting on their ass. obama is trying bailouts and other measure to keep the huge autop industries from collapsing.

now, according to you axe, if you think socialism is so bad, then we should let the auto industry fail, and let all those jobs go and farm everything out to toyota and honda and BMW. i know that you dont want that. Obama is trying as much as he can (or id like to hope so) to get us out of this. but it takes time. your man had 8 years.....let us have ours.

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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:27 pm

I think we should have let the automotive company's declare bankruptcy and fail. It was partly their fault for giving their employees 80 dollar an hour paychecks and lifetime benefits that they couldn't afford to give. Now that it's owned by the government, anybody who works for them will be a government employee. You know I don't agree with socialism because I believe that it should be the right of the person to work hard for a living. We shouldn't pay a mechanic who went to school for a year the same as we pay a doctor who went to school for 8 years.

But I digress. We just have a fundamental difference in thinking. I feel that it should be up to me to make my life. I should have to work hard to make a living.

By the look of things, you believe that we should make everyone financially secure regardless of what they do. But that's where I get confused. Why would you want to give a bum who won't work the same amount of money you give someone who is the kind of person who wants to earn what he has? And furthermore, why would you want to destroy creative thinking and integrity by giving people money regardless? You know that money is the motivation for most of our scientific and medical breakthroughs.
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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:30 pm

did i say anything of the sort? dont put words in my mouth

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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:34 pm

I think if a company goes downhill its catalyst definitely isn't the politician although they might have had a hand in it in some secondary fashion. Are you defending Bush or the republicans in general axe? Because Bush is completely unlikable I think. How much money did he pour into finding non-existent weapons? Yes they have the capacity to make them but so does everyone else. But yeah, I can't see either party doing a good job in the current state

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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:35 pm

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did i say anything of the sort? dont put words in my mouth

I'm not putting words in your mouth, but that is the common socialist viewpoint. I TOLD you that I was assuming that was your view, since you are trying to persuade me that socialist views aren't bad. But, you didn't read it.

Now brute, you know I respect you and that I think you are one of the coolest guys around here, but you don't need to get so upset over politics. I'm just trying to have a decent conversation with you and your getting mad.
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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:47 pm

not mad

"you believe that we should make everyone financially secure regardless of what they do. But that's where I get confused. Why would you want to give a bum who won't work the same amount of money you give someone who is the kind of person who wants to earn what he has? And furthermore, why would you want to destroy creative thinking and integrity by giving people money regardless"


this was completely off topic i said nothing of the sort. trust me, im just being blunt. not mad

im not socialist. im saying that adopting a more not complete, socialist viewpoint in our current situation might help us. Bush tried the "Reaganomics" policy, which oddly enough, has only worked for Regan. so if the trickle down theory is bust, then guess what, time to change pitchers and let someone else throw the game (interesting analogy)

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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:52 pm

I don't, I dislike FDR for his socialist policies, but that, along with a massive war, helped get our economy out of a rut. So I say we get into a bunch of wars and have a socialist president, then boot him out when our economy is fixed lol.

But yeah, FDR's policies were borderline socialist, but they worked pretty well. But I'm not convinced that if WW2 wouldn't have occured, our economy would have been fixed
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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:56 pm

boarderline? psssh....he was WAY socialist.
i leanred sth interesting, most of FDR's changes occurred within the 1st 100 days. alot of bad things happened during the presidency, but after a while it cleared up. so during his 14 years or so, the majority of the change happened within the first months of his presidency. obama signed alot of deals and made changes, but we will have to see how it affects us in time

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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:59 pm

Yeah that's the thing, FDR did a good job of putting out a lot of policies right away. A lot of them were unconstitutional, but he made sure that there were a lot that had a chance to help
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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:15 pm

I know hardly anything about politics or economy but it is a well known fact that the economy goes through cycles. The government does a lot of spending on military and I'm not sure how much the war is increasing those costs but it seems like it would have a significant impact (but I'm just guessing, it could also be relatively cheap). Of course we got into this economic mess because of large corporations taking certain risky actions. Presidents don't control the economy much as far as I'm aware. Roosevelt tried to do a ton of things to help the economy but it all ended up amounting to very little change. I think they control more where the economy goes than they do how the economy changes at an instant, and they apparently struggle with that as well. I have a very elementary understanding of economy but from what I learned it seems like very high taxes during the good times, coupled with little spending, and low taxes during the bad times, coupled with a lot of spending, would make things really smooth. Then there is inflation and all that which complicates things a bit. Who knows maybe that would be a horrible plan and make things really bad, macroeconomics is confusing.

As for socialism vs. capitalism my thoughts remain the same. It depends on who you are, but for the majority of people it should probably be somewhere in the 20% socialism to 50% socialism region.

A conservative is a person who, in general, looks for change sparingly. Of course it isn't nearly that simple when you look into history and culture and all of that. A reactionary is a person who wants to go back to an earlier time and so un-change things.
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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:52 pm

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I think if a company goes downhill its catalyst definitely isn't the politician although they might have had a hand in it in some secondary fashion. Are you defending Bush or the republicans in general axe? Because Bush is completely unlikable I think. How much money did he pour into finding non-existent weapons? Yes they have the capacity to make them but so does everyone else. But yeah, I can't see either party doing a good job in the current state

Dude, the U.N was the one inspecting for weapons. And yes, I think Bush did a decent job as president, considering all the sh!t he had to deal with.
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PostSubject: Re: I don't understand this   Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:53 am

...not including all the s*** he caused

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