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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:57 pm

I hate religious extremists, but they manipulate the RELIGION. They use the religion to fuel their hatred, it's not the religion itself that's evil. There are a lot of amazing people that are religious, but there are also a lot of douchebags. It's like any group of people, really.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:10 pm

i prefer more esoteric stuff. obvious anti christian hate gets a bit old
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:42 pm

I have a problem when music is just blatant anti-christianity with no real meaning. I mean I respect people's opinions, but I have a hard time listening to a band that won't touch other subjects. I get tired of christian bands really quickly too
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:08 pm

I've already said what I hate but as far as religion goes I'm not anti. I'm anti-harm-caused-by-stupidity. And I don't think religion is stupid either I think it varies person to person. I've seen William Craig eat up atheists in debates. Also whether one "thinks it to be true or not" isn't the only factor important factor when it comes to whether one is religious or not.

And yeah Lord Kur I find atmospheres interesting also. There are so many and they are all like different worlds and feelings.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:14 pm

gg allin had a different way of christian bashing



he considered himself jesus and the son of the devil at the same time


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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:15 pm

Yeah I remember you posted the lyrics for this song.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:18 pm

his real official birth name was Jesus Christ Allin

He was given this messianic name because his father, Merle Colby Allin Sr., then 33 years old, told his wife, Arleta Gunther, then 20 years old, that Jesus Christ himself had visited him and told him that his newborn son would be a great and all powerful man in the vein of the Messiah (wiki)
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:44 pm

That would explain some things lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:52 pm

PS That Tsjuder vid was awesome.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:27 am

I always really liked GG Allin's music, but I think he was a complete tool. A pretty bad figurehead for the punk movement if you ask me.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:52 am

I love the music I'll agree. But I do have mixed feelings about him as a person. That said I haven't really researched it or anything so.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:01 am

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I always really liked GG Allin's music, but I think he was a complete tool. A pretty bad figurehead for the punk movement if you ask me.

yeah he did say a lot of ridiculous things but i respect his willingness to stick to his principles no matter what
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:52 pm

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I always really liked GG Allin's music, but I think he was a complete tool. A pretty bad figurehead for the punk movement if you ask me.

yeah he did say a lot of ridiculous things but i respect his willingness to stick to his principles no matter what

That I can agree with.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:07 pm

ok before the discussion gets heated let's put it in some perspective. humans by their basic nature can not be for everything, thus needed to be anti something. be it religion, race, accent, or even a kind of tea.
now some groups are easier targets because of what they do or how they do things. religion is a big part of history and there is no perfect religion (note that Buddhism is also considered to be more of a philosophy than an actual religion, but even it has it's flaws somewhere) and it's conservative. in the 21st century that doesn't work.
on the other hand we have groups like homosexuals, ethical minorities (did i say that?), rappers, metalheads and a lot more that by some way or another are not seen as normal members of society. sometimes it's clothes and general attitude ( headbanger my brothers) while others use outbursts in public to get some attention (emos, and do we really need 10 000 gay pride parades?).
be it as it may someone will hate someone and thus be anti- sth. stating ones opinion is one thing while insulting is another.

and in this thread there are only bands that use... let's say satanic because i'm lacking a better word at this moment, themes in their work. need i remind you that venom and slayer that were or maybe even still are thrash metal(this is another discussion) used to have those same themes in their songs?
this is music, some if is good, some sucks, but if one says "yesterday i had lunch with satan", it doesn't mean that they are attacking anyone. actually i'd rather go out of my way and say that 20 years ago bands used that to shock the general audience and build up a reputation. today bands use it more because it works and some ppl like and/or love those kinds of themes. i know a person that likes nightwish and thinks that she is a fairy, so that proves that ppl are different. and weird, but also another thing that doesn't belong here.

so since i saw some concern in VR's and Axe's posts, guys don't worry. as long as somebody doesn't say "christians should be burned alive" or some shit like that, this thread serves a purpose as the BIG thread for black/death/doom and maybe a few others kinds of metal
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:19 pm

That was pretty well put I think.

But there's a difference between being having an opinion against something, and being actively against it. Personally, I'm against Christianity, but I'm also against the violence that some advocate in that cause. There's also a difference between a Satanic message in music, and a specifically anti-Christian message. And then, as you pointed out, you can get into whether that message is there for shock value (see Slayer, Venom, etc) or because the artist truly believes in it.

But I think the reason the thread hasn't gotten out of hand, and won't, is because the discussion has been about anti-Christian messages in the music, and not our own personal beliefs, which is where things usually get heated.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:37 pm

Satanism in metal is a gimmick... the whole norwegian black metal scene being satanic is nonsense. They didn't burn churches in the name of Lucifer, but to claim back the sites of ancient pagan importance. They have a right to be angry at what Christianty has done to them, hence the bashing.

Varg can't be taken seriously in these matters though because Odalism is pretentious hippy sh*t.

The only people who could be considered to take it seriously are the orthodox black metal bands like Deathspell Omega, where satanism is used as an allegory to express more philosophical and existential ideas, dealing with mans concept of and relationship with the devine.

Personally, I couldn't give a crap what anybody sings about: if it sounds good, I'll listen to it. Lyrics are of minor importance to me, hence my love for bands like Arghoslent, were other people detest them without even listening to them.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:43 pm

Satanism to me seems to be very much tied to misanthropy in most cases. Beyond that it's like one of those labels where everyone has their own views and slant on it. It can be a religion, a philosophy, a spirituality, a way of life, etc.

Obviously cult satanism is a whole other game...
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:58 pm

Jesus Rocks!
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:09 pm

who? wrote:
Jesus Rocks!

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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:11 pm

Please stay on topic don't turn this into a contest of mockery or obnoxious off-topic outbursts, whichever one it is.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:17 pm

Anagrams aren't obnoxious, how dare you...

I gonna put my "Jesus is my homeboy" t-shirt on tomorrow because of this thread. No, seriously. Jesus with bling, you can't go wrong.

I did get called for wearing it once, but I like it.

Okay, I digress: this is off topic, I apologise.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:31 pm

Well yeah you have a point.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:56 pm

tl;dr
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:58 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:54 pm

I think it's all been said pretty well in this thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:42 pm

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I always really liked GG Allin's music, but I think he was a complete tool. A pretty bad figurehead for the punk movement if you ask me.

yeah he did say a lot of ridiculous things but i respect his willingness to stick to his principles no matter what

It gets to a point where it gets pretty ridiculous. I mean his music might be good and his punk mentality might be good, but I don't understand why someone would want to take a dump on stage and then roll around in it, then eat it. That's pretty f***ing disgusting, and I don't see how that sends any message other than "hey look at me! I'm eating my own shit!"
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:44 pm

He was abused as a child. Plus he probably got sexual pleasure from it.
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:36 pm

he wasnt abused. he considered his shit and piss a communion to his fans. he didn't eat it he just threw it at the audience
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:45 pm

Everything I read about it said he consumed it. Still it's pretty disgusting
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:00 pm

i've seen him drink girls pee but never his own
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:57 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:30 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:54 pm

wow, i just read three pages of this stuff

i really dont have anything to add other than "thanks" to urband dictionary for the "tl;dr" deffinition.

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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:39 pm

Lol brute
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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:40 pm

f***ing read more?

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PostSubject: Re: Christian Bashing   Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:41 pm

Hmm? It says
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