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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:14 pm

so do you have control of mod functions there? if so you should condense a lot of the subforums. like 10 would be plenty
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:14 pm

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yeah i mean i check it like every day but it's always dead.

I'm mailing the old gang soon. I'm even hoping I can get Alfader back.

Hey is there any way I can contact you other than the forum? Like facebook or AIM?
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:17 pm

Nope. PM me if needs be!
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:20 pm

For a lot of people here this forum is more of a family than a place for rough house music sharing. The staff tolerates such things though because we see the good and bad, but if it comes down to a forum split we'll have to take a side. That is unless something can be worked out here.

What would you guys think if the following rule was introduced:
All posts involving criticism must involve an explanation, be sincere, and be respectful.

Ignore the horrible grammar...just focus on the basic idea.
So something that wouldn't work would be: "Band A sucks."
That would be considered spammish, insincere, not respectful, and it doesn't carry with it an explanation.
Something that would work would be: "Band A is boring. They use the same riffs in their songs constantly and their drummer does nothing but blast beats."

And this applies not just to music but to other things as well.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:25 pm

i would have to just say whatever i want

so, no

but i know it doesn't matter what i think. censorship and rules for what you can say is a horrible idea and obviously the forum would be filled with a bunch of queers... oh wait...


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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:26 pm

That's the thing, I've gotten to know so many people from this forum and have become good friends with them. It's more of a community than a simple discussion forum. I don't want to have to pick sides, I want to be able to mediate problems from the inside and keep people happy. That's why we need to be willing to compromise
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:28 pm

I think the rules we need are

1.) be respectful
2.) keep posts PG-13


I mean, we shouldn't censor what people say. But we should have a general tenet telling members to be respectful, because we are all here because we love metal
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:30 pm

no swearing? what are you going for a disney forum?
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:31 pm

no, not no swearing. Fuck, I do it all time.

I mean, no excessive nudity and such. It's pretty reasonable
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:32 pm

Fuck has been uncensored.

It's more of an R rated forum but no nudity allowed. Racy pictures are allowed in appropriately racy threads though.

Once again the reason is because some people access the forum from school and the such.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:33 pm

oh i don't ever post porn anyway except for if it's on an album cover like that lifelover one

i don't see any reason to be posting boobs on a metal forum anyways
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:40 pm

Yeah, that's just the basic rule. I mean, we haven't really had much trouble with it but it's just nice to know for the random areas and stuff. I personally don't mind seeing a nice rack, but it's just for the sake of keeping things accessible
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:42 pm

There could probably be a rule introduced to just put R+ material in spoiler tags with a notice or something.

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:45 pm

Lmao Lord Kur I know exactly what you want
Yes your an individual, its really edgy, I get it.


It seems though many people who want change aren't contacting me
And I am very close to moving on and saying screw change

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:11 pm

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there should be less rules, not more. oh and get rid of those two piles of asspuke called hate and styx
Glad your back kur . Have fun and enjoy yourself .
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:13 pm

hateyou1st wrote:
Lord Kur wrote:
there should be less rules, not more. oh and get rid of those two piles of asspuke called hate and styx
Glad your back kur . Have fun and enjoy yourself .

Hate, I love you man lol
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:15 pm

I don't really agree with this talk about censorship and stuff. Some forums just sit there open to whoever walks in and whatever happens happens. This forum is more like a house...you take off your shoes before you walk on the carpet.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:17 pm

I agree, so we should censor pics and stuff. But language isn't a problem
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:27 pm

Look we dont need a bunch of rules , try to stay away from spam , Respect each other , R -13 , No dick or clit pic's . thats it .
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:33 pm

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If I hurt anyone, I'm so sorry... that your balls haven't dropped.
Its more than that though: it's actually pissing me off now. I think it is very fucking weak that its come to this, pandering around for improvements and asking for absolution. All over a fucking mom joke: I made a few to Blackstar not to long ago on here and you don't see us crying.

All this talk about insulting people: it never actually happened, it was a joke. If someone is too sour to see that, well, brute apologised, and still the war of words, as if macho quotas and ego's where the most important thing ever. Grow up, and get over yourself. See, now I'm lowering myself to the same tone to make a point, and thats just making things wear even more thin.


Seriously Dies Iraes..... Rolling Eyes
I know I said myself it would be the best for everyone keeping their opinions to themselves because it would make things much worse but now I've come to the extent of not caring whether people will be hating me or not after this. First of all get one thing clear it wasn't just a "Your mother joke" it was the way the whole situation was handled. Yes you've made a few to Blackstar but you aren't an Admin and Brute is and Blackstar isn't Styx! And like hell did Brute apologize, how does saying:

"I guess "your mom" jokes just dont translate
hate, you wouldnt get the true nature of the joke, it is a juvenille joke
styx, ill blame you not understanding a lighthearted "your mom" joke being that you are a long way away

slanderous is name calling, such as fa* or ni**er. if people choose to use this language im cool with it, but i like to avoid it.

i was merely following up the "kissed your mother with that mouth," joke. if we were talking face to face, would have made much more sense"


Sound like a fucking apology to you? Hell if that would be considered as an apology it would be one one of the lousiest and most ignorant I've ever heard. That comment wasn't anything near to apology just a guy being an jackass and couldn't be able to admit he had offended someone and couldn't give an decent apology.
But this is the least thing I am unhappy about, the thing that ticked me off the most was tthe fact that no other Moderator or Admin tried to solve the fight only think people did was pick sides and just add fuel in to the fire and then just like that the thread was locked with no single shred of resolvement and just when things seemed to be at peace again someone decides to make a thread which once again took sides and somehow we ended up in here pondering what could be done and changed and you think it's because of somekind of "your mother" joke.. I hope you could just open your eyes and see the bigger picture.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:02 pm

Your mom...

Yeah, I really don't give a fuck anymore. I shan't be around much longer.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:34 pm

Shin he wrote a really really long apology in the staff zone

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:22 pm

Shin wrote:
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If I hurt anyone, I'm so sorry... that your balls haven't dropped.
Its more than that though: it's actually pissing me off now. I think it is very fucking weak that its come to this, pandering around for improvements and asking for absolution. All over a fucking mom joke: I made a few to Blackstar not to long ago on here and you don't see us crying.

All this talk about insulting people: it never actually happened, it was a joke. If someone is too sour to see that, well, brute apologised, and still the war of words, as if macho quotas and ego's where the most important thing ever. Grow up, and get over yourself. See, now I'm lowering myself to the same tone to make a point, and thats just making things wear even more thin.


Seriously Dies Iraes..... Rolling Eyes
I know I said myself it would be the best for everyone keeping their opinions to themselves because it would make things much worse but now I've come to the extent of not caring whether people will be hating me or not after this. First of all get one thing clear it wasn't just a "Your mother joke" it was the way the whole situation was handled. Yes you've made a few to Blackstar but you aren't an Admin and Brute is and Blackstar isn't Styx! And like hell did Brute apologize, how does saying:

"I guess "your mom" jokes just dont translate
hate, you wouldnt get the true nature of the joke, it is a juvenille joke
styx, ill blame you not understanding a lighthearted "your mom" joke being that you are a long way away

slanderous is name calling, such as fa* or ni**er. if people choose to use this language im cool with it, but i like to avoid it.

i was merely following up the "kissed your mother with that mouth," joke. if we were talking face to face, would have made much more sense"


Sound like a fucking apology to you? Hell if that would be considered as an apology it would be one one of the lousiest and most ignorant I've ever heard. That comment wasn't anything near to apology just a guy being an jackass and couldn't be able to admit he had offended someone and couldn't give an decent apology.
But this is the least thing I am unhappy about, the thing that ticked me off the most was tthe fact that no other Moderator or Admin tried to solve the fight only think people did was pick sides and just add fuel in to the fire and then just like that the thread was locked with no single shred of resolvement and just when things seemed to be at peace again someone decides to make a thread which once again took sides and somehow we ended up in here pondering what could be done and changed and you think it's because of somekind of "your mother" joke.. I hope you could just open your eyes and see the bigger picture.

He said he was sorry like five times, you just missed that I suppose.

And we tried to mediate the argument, but I wasn't around when it happened I don't believe, so I couldn't start mediating right away. But the fact of the matter is Brute is sorry and made an apology and now we're trying to find a way to keep all of our members
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:49 pm

is this another one of those Insulting threads.?
or is a fucking WHAT CHANGES WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE topic...?

Soo much arguments going on the forums lately...its not even funny...
in fact, its making this forums sooo boring and monotonous...

Topic
Dissagree
Fight
etc..

thats about it.....it happens on atleast 90% the topics in this forum...

i think if we should improve something...its to lose the fear to press the BAN button..if the same person insist on trolling all the fucking time..
but thas my opinion...
this forum is gets lamer and boring everytime someone starts a stupid fight about a MISSUNDERSTOOD JOKE etc...

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:59 pm

Good to know what people are thinking

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:04 pm

Hey I'm the biggest troll here and I don't piss anyone off. It's the people who get butthurt and take everything seriously and then fly off the handle and get everyone else butthurt.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:06 pm

^

I agree that people need to just cool off. People need to take a joke. But at the same time, we need to make sure we aren't being a prick to just one person and single them out
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:13 pm

there doesnt seem to be any established consequences for being an asshole.. or any rules of any kind.. I suggest guidelines so that people can tell when a definete line has been crossed, not just an arbitrary line of opinion. what is offensive to someone might be fine with another..
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:22 pm

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Thats my point...

There has been only 2 perma Bans in the whole M&E history...
and about 3 or less Temp Bans..

I mean...if you're being an asshole once...its forgivable...twice..makes you doubt...three times in a row...you deserve to be banned atleast for a medium period of time...there should be hardened rules about harrasing other members...

i get the Butthurt point...but remember we are people from diff countries...what makes people laugh in USA or Canada or France maybe its not a bit funny on Latin American Countries...or Other European Countries and so...
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:45 pm

I know I know I'm in charge of banning people. But I just don't want to most of the time. I don't like telling people how to act, especially metalheads because they hardly listen. But if everyone wants me to be more strict, I will try to sway that way

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:48 pm

Shin wrote:
Dies Irae wrote:
If I hurt anyone, I'm so sorry... that your balls haven't dropped.
Its more than that though: it's actually pissing me off now. I think it is very fucking weak that its come to this, pandering around for improvements and asking for absolution. All over a fucking mom joke: I made a few to Blackstar not to long ago on here and you don't see us crying.

All this talk about insulting people: it never actually happened, it was a joke. If someone is too sour to see that, well, brute apologised, and still the war of words, as if macho quotas and ego's where the most important thing ever. Grow up, and get over yourself. See, now I'm lowering myself to the same tone to make a point, and thats just making things wear even more thin.


Seriously Dies Iraes..... Rolling Eyes
I know I said myself it would be the best for everyone keeping their opinions to themselves because it would make things much worse but now I've come to the extent of not caring whether people will be hating me or not after this. First of all get one thing clear it wasn't just a "Your mother joke" it was the way the whole situation was handled. Yes you've made a few to Blackstar but you aren't an Admin and Brute is and Blackstar isn't Styx! And like hell did Brute apologize, how does saying:

"I guess "your mom" jokes just dont translate
hate, you wouldnt get the true nature of the joke, it is a juvenille joke
styx, ill blame you not understanding a lighthearted "your mom" joke being that you are a long way away

slanderous is name calling, such as fa* or ni**er. if people choose to use this language im cool with it, but i like to avoid it.

i was merely following up the "kissed your mother with that mouth," joke. if we were talking face to face, would have made much more sense"


Sound like a fucking apology to you? Hell if that would be considered as an apology it would be one one of the lousiest and most ignorant I've ever heard. That comment wasn't anything near to apology just a guy being an jackass and couldn't be able to admit he had offended someone and couldn't give an decent apology.
But this is the least thing I am unhappy about, the thing that ticked me off the most was tthe fact that no other Moderator or Admin tried to solve the fight only think people did was pick sides and just add fuel in to the fire and then just like that the thread was locked with no single shred of resolvement and just when things seemed to be at peace again someone decides to make a thread which once again took sides and somehow we ended up in here pondering what could be done and changed and you think it's because of somekind of "your mother" joke.. I hope you could just open your eyes and see the bigger picture.

The thread was the tip of the ice berg. 95% of the talking has been in the staff zone and off the forums. This thread was created seemingly out of the blue, but was actually the result of pages and pages of conversations where all anyone was trying to accomplish was keeping the forum together.

I imagine it is frustrating to watch...but like I said; if it was easy, then it would be easy. I suppose everyone would like to see for themselves...but I guess you'll just have to take our word for it.



And IB I think if the rule I mentioned was put into effect it would probably result in some people being banned if they kept their current pattern. There could be more arbitrary bans also I suppose...matter of taste. Anyways, I was long aware that the forum's golden days were past (and I haven't really been posting too much either) but I wasn't aware it was taking the toll on everyone that it apparently has (I can be astonishingly absent minded). Now that it has come to light I'm definitely rethinking things as everyone is. And trust me I liked the forum when I first got here and I got all the welcomes, and we talked and hell we didn't know all the music that existed in the world but when we found something interesting it was a ton of fun. Not only that but just the things we had all heard and seen 100 times before were a lot of fun. I feel like listening to goddamn Wintersun again...even posting a review of it. Things changed though, for some better and some worse. People stopped making threads because they knew it would receive a negative comment, to which there would be a response, to which there would be a fight, etc. Also the volume of threads at times was pretty hard to keep up with, and the bands became more obscure. I guess I just went with it and didn't really notice so soon what was being lost.

That's part of what this thread is about. If the current state is undesirable, then naturally one seeks change. Knowledge is power...just trying to see what people are thinking so we can try to make the best choices.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:03 pm

damn you guys are turning into a bunch of prissy queens
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:06 pm

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damn you guys are turning into a bunch of prissy queens

Has to be done if we want to keep the forum together. You can't just ban everyone who annoys you, but you have to keep people happy. We aren't a big forum, we need the members we have. Not like Metal Throne who can ban 20 members and it wouldn't make a dent.

We have maybe 30 active/semi active members, we need to keep them happy because it's hard to recruit members.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:19 pm

I don't appreciate some people saying that I'm not looking at the big picture when I have spent the last 3 days talking to staff members into the wee hours of the morning everyday trying to find a diplomatic solution

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:28 pm

We might have to start factoring in sleep time into our diplomatic plans.

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:35 pm

That, and I have spent hours talking to different people everyday about this
We are getting zero credit

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:39 pm

This is worse then the time I had to collect a satellite dish in a apocalyptic Washington to restore a radio signal so the MC would tell me where my father went

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:41 pm

This is worse than running into your worst enemy on the day you get married.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:49 pm

This is worse then a teacher telling you to go to the library to get study notes for a midterm and the library is huge and nobody knows what the fuck your talking about so you can't pass the exam

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:51 pm

This is worse than thinking you did bad on a midterm and getting ready to get the midterm back in class, just to find out that the teacher doesn't even have your midterm.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:52 pm

This is worse then trying to repel rabbits away from eating your plants by putting hot sauce on the plants then the hot sauce burns the plants

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:55 pm

Oh man...

This is worse than trying to remove a stick from your leg after a car accident, just to realize that stick is your leg bone.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:39 pm

This is worse than listening to one of the Burzum "atmospheric" albums straight through in one sitting.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:54 pm

This is worse than Waking the Cadaver
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:56 pm

PortraitOfSanity wrote:
This is worse than listening to one of the Burzum "atmospheric" albums straight through in one sitting.

sigging this
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:57 pm

This is worse than eating a ton of popcorn and then having nothing to drink.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:00 pm

Master Cthulhu wrote:
PortraitOfSanity wrote:
This is worse than listening to one of the Burzum "atmospheric" albums straight through in one sitting.

sigging this

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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:01 pm

This worse than Ann Coulter
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:03 pm

This is worse than John Wilkes Booth.
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PostSubject: Re: What changes would you like to see   Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:03 pm

At least John Wilkes Booth's fail turned to hilarity when he broke his leg getting away...
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