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PostSubject: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:11 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:02 am

I've posted this before but:

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:31 am

And both continue to make me lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:19 am

yep...i hail to thee....i hail to science

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:09 am

Fake I can tell by the pixels and the fact that I've seen a lot of shops in my time

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:28 am

I'm all for one having their own beliefs and all that, it's perfectly reasonable but anyone who still doesn't believe in evolution is fucking retarded in my opinion ^^ (which apperently is over 40% of the U.S O.O)
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:25 pm

lets not get too deep into religion....
but i cant stand creationism. i mean, im a non-believer through and through, but people that think the earth was created in ACTUAL 7 days and all that jibberish really make me *facedesk

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:08 pm

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lets not get too deep into religion....
but i cant stand creationism. i mean, im a non-believer through and through, but people that think the earth was created in ACTUAL 7 days and all that jibberish really make me *facedesk

This is so ignorant I can't even begin to correct it... well actually I can.

As you can plainly see through logic, the concept of a day is an invention of man. Therefore, a day to God could be completely different. A day to God could theoretically be thousands of our years, thus explaining how intelligent design could be a possible explanation. Now I'm not saying it's the proven way the Earth and the universe was formed, but I'm saying it's a possible explanation. Now, the trolling begins....

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:19 pm

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brutality, thynameismetal wrote:
lets not get too deep into religion....
but i cant stand creationism. i mean, im a non-believer through and through, but people that think the earth was created in ACTUAL 7 days and all that jibberish really make me *facedesk

This is so ignorant I can't even begin to correct it... well actually I can.

As you can plainly see through logic, the concept of a day is an invention of man. Therefore, a day to God could be completely different. A day to God could theoretically be thousands of our years, thus explaining how intelligent design could be a possible explanation. Now I'm not saying it's the proven way the Earth and the universe was formed, but I'm saying it's a possible explanation. Now, the trolling begins....

Don't worry, what you believe is what you believe, but if god really did make the world, we did a fairly good job of fucking it up.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:21 pm

I have no idea what I believe in. But I don't like evoluntion
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:24 pm

Well if we didn't fuck it up. Our QOL would be lower.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:29 pm

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brutality, thynameismetal wrote:
lets not get too deep into religion....
but i cant stand creationism. i mean, im a non-believer through and through, but people that think the earth was created in ACTUAL 7 days and all that jibberish really make me *facedesk

This is so ignorant I can't even begin to correct it... well actually I can.

As you can plainly see through logic, the concept of a day is an invention of man. Therefore, a day to God could be completely different. A day to God could theoretically be thousands of our years, thus explaining how intelligent design could be a possible explanation. Now I'm not saying it's the proven way the Earth and the universe was formed, but I'm saying it's a possible explanation. Now, the trolling begins....

Yeah I was going to say something along those lines.
Also, I know many people that are some sort of Christian and they do not take the Bible literally.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:33 pm

I think it's safe to say (I'm atheist) most christians don't take the bible seriously (as sarainadream is saying) there is a perception among many non christians that christians take all the stories literally, most accept them as a Parables written metaphorically or as guidelines, that's my view anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:40 pm

Fundamentalists are stupid. Oh and for you Christians out there.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)


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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:46 pm

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brutality, thynameismetal wrote:
lets not get too deep into religion....
but i cant stand creationism. i mean, im a non-believer through and through, but people that think the earth was created in ACTUAL 7 days and all that jibberish really make me *facedesk

This is so ignorant I can't even begin to correct it... well actually I can.

As you can plainly see through logic, the concept of a day is an invention of man. Therefore, a day to God could be completely different. A day to God could theoretically be thousands of our years, thus explaining how intelligent design could be a possible explanation. Now I'm not saying it's the proven way the Earth and the universe was formed, but I'm saying it's a possible explanation. Now, the trolling begins....

Oh and the universe was formed through the big bang, kthx
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:01 pm

Yea, we've got this kick ass trump card when it comes to that line of argument.

Creationists have a 2,000 year old book that's been interpreted differently as many times.

We have a 24,000 pound telescope that orbits the Earth every 96 minutes (25,000 ft/second), and takes pictures of the other end of the universe in three wavelengths.

I know who I'm putting my money on...
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:14 pm

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Axeforhire wrote:
brutality, thynameismetal wrote:
lets not get too deep into religion....
but i cant stand creationism. i mean, im a non-believer through and through, but people that think the earth was created in ACTUAL 7 days and all that jibberish really make me *facedesk

This is so ignorant I can't even begin to correct it... well actually I can.

As you can plainly see through logic, the concept of a day is an invention of man. Therefore, a day to God could be completely different. A day to God could theoretically be thousands of our years, thus explaining how intelligent design could be a possible explanation. Now I'm not saying it's the proven way the Earth and the universe was formed, but I'm saying it's a possible explanation. Now, the trolling begins....

Oh and the universe was formed through the big bang, kthx

You don't have to agree with me lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:21 pm

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Yea, we've got this kick ass trump card when it comes to that line of argument.

Creationists have a 2,000 year old book that's been interpreted differently as many times.

We have a 24,000 pound telescope that orbits the Earth every 96 minutes (25,000 ft/second), and takes pictures of the other end of the universe in three wavelengths.

I know who I'm putting my money on...

Why would the fact that we have an amazingly powerful telescope make it so there couldn't be a God? Not that I'm trying to change your mind or anything, but I don't get why a lot of people think science proves that there isn't a God.

And I know this is kinda off topic from what you said, but why does anyone give a rat's ass what I or anyone else believes? You don't believe in God, that's cool. I don't think any less of you. But all of the problems in the world come when theists try to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats, or when scientists try to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats.

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:22 pm

But when all evidence, scientific and otherwise, points to option A.

And nothing points to option B, except a really old story meant to get a bunch of people wandering through the desert to behave and not run around like raving genocidal maniacs (which, clearly, it did not accomplish) points to option B...

Why would anyone, in their right mind, believe option B?
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:24 pm

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Yea, we've got this kick ass trump card when it comes to that line of argument.

Creationists have a 2,000 year old book that's been interpreted differently as many times.

We have a 24,000 pound telescope that orbits the Earth every 96 minutes (25,000 ft/second), and takes pictures of the other end of the universe in three wavelengths.

I know who I'm putting my money on...

Why would the fact that we have an amazingly powerful telescope make it so there couldn't be a God? Not that I'm trying to change your mind or anything, but I don't get why a lot of people think science proves that there isn't a God.

And I know this is kinda off topic from what you said, but why does anyone give a rat's ass what I or anyone else believes? You don't believe in God, that's cool. I don't think any less of you. But all of the problems in the world come when theists try to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats, or when scientists try to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats.

I really don't care what you think, I like to understand people's thinking though.

But in essence, science is slowly proving that everything in the history of the universe could have happened without the existence of a god-figure.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:28 pm

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But in essence, science is slowly proving that everything in the history of the universe could have happened without the existence of a god-figure.

Key words being "could have" happened, I don't think science will ever fully prove there is no God.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:30 pm

Well, if you prove that the universe was created without external input at all, wouldn't you call that that disproving the existence of god?
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:31 pm

People will always argue that god set in motion the events that led to the creation of the world, even if it's the big bang theory etc, you gotta accept that lol
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:40 pm

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But when all evidence, scientific and otherwise, points to option A.

And nothing points to option B, except a really old story meant to get a bunch of people wandering through the desert to behave and not run around like raving genocidal maniacs (which, clearly, it did not accomplish) points to option B...

Why would anyone, in their right mind, believe option B?

But why does it matter to you, who believes in option B?

Also, because I feel comfortable believing in something. One reason is the way I was raised, but another reason is I feel secure believing in something. And I am a very skeptical christian, I don't want you to think I'm hardcore. I don't go to church, I haven't even finished the Bible. But I am very spiritual and I have trouble looking at the world and the life that I love and thinking it just happened randomly. There has to be something that made this world, because it is so perfect. Look how intricate living beings are, and how intricate ecosystems are. Nature is the only thing I need to believe in a higher deity, even if it isn't the Christian god.

The main reason I am a christian (other than my upbringing) is that Christianity is a very... sensible religion. And I'm not talking about the stories. The teachings are good. I don't think anyone can deny that the teachings of Christianity - the values - are bad. Sure a lot of things teach that, but in conjunction with my upbringing it's what I believe.

And I know this statement will seem a little cowardly, but if I'm right I will go to Heaven. If I am wrong, it won't matter. It's almost like you have nothing to lose by having faith in a religion.

That's my belief system, but like I said I am a very skeptical Christian. I adhere to the most basic of Christian values, and if God doesn't want me in Heaven for it I have no regrets. So in many ways, my non-religious spirituality is more important to me than my religious spirituality.

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:44 pm

Another thing, science explains how, not why. Religion is the only thing that attempts to explain why. For me, why is more important than how.

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:46 pm

I get what you're saying completely. But doesn't it ever bother you to think that maybe there's not a why? I mean, what if we're all just living on a rock hurtling through space, and that's all there is to it? A lot of people find that depressing, but what if there is no higher purpose? Just live your life, try not to step on toes, and try to get done what you want to get done. I find that a lot simpler, and honestly a lot easier to grasp than doing all that so that in 80 years, someone else can judge whether I've accomplished what I should have accomplished or not.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:51 pm

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I get what you're saying completely. But doesn't it ever bother you to think that maybe there's not a why? I mean, what if we're all just living on a rock hurtling through space, and that's all there is to it?

Of course. I have thought about that a lot, but it's just hard to think that this life and world is just all by chance, you know what I mean?

I have gone through a few periods of massive skepticism in my life, but for some reason I can't just not believe in anything. I'm glad what I said made sense to you though, most of the time I try to put my beliefs into words and people either don't understand or start trying to shoot down my beliefs. So thank you for having a good discussion

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:53 pm

Well, I mean you have to remember, I was raised Irish Catholic, so I'm more than familiar with Christianity. And there are undeniably great aspects to Christianity, I won't argue that. But at some point, for me at least, the alternatives made more sense. I'm a weird personality though.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:56 pm

I don't care about what you do but when religion is causing a whole bunch of fucking turmoil (the dark ages, the islamic revolution, etc) then shit needs to be brought down. Plus I also don't understand the whole picking and choosing things that most christians do. Why not believe the bible 100% and follow everything 100% or not believe in it at all?
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:57 pm

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Well, I mean you have to remember, I was raised Irish Catholic, so I'm more than familiar with Christianity. And there are undeniably great aspects to Christianity, I won't argue that. But at some point, for me at least, the alternatives made more sense. I'm a weird personality though.

I completely understand. There are some things that I just don't understand and that I don't agree with. One big thing is how, apparently, God will turn you away from Heaven if you aren't Christian, even if you were a very good person in life. Why? I have trouble believing that, and if it were true I have trouble agreeing with it. What about people in third world countries who have never had the ability to learn about Christianity. Or, what about people from other religions who were raised that way. I don't know why God would turn away his creations just because of something like that, because I guarantee when everyone dies, and God confronts them (assuming Christianity is right, of course) they would admit that he is God. So I don't understand why God wouldn't let everyone into Heaven unless they completely denied God when he confronts them. That's one big thing for me.

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:01 pm

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I don't care about what you do but when religion is causing a whole bunch of fucking turmoil (the dark ages, the islamic revolution, etc) then shit needs to be brought down. Plus I also don't understand the whole picking and choosing things that most christians do. Why not believe the bible 100% and follow everything 100% or not believe in it at all?

1.) Religious extremists =/= religion. That's like saying all Muslims now are Islamic terrorists.

2.) I understand what you mean about that. But, the way I feel is that the Bible is made up of many books written by people who (supposedly) talked to God. So that's not to say that every book in the bible is accurate or real. That's why I just believe in the basic tenets and important aspects of the religion. It doesn't really matter to me if Noah made a gargantuan boat, or if Jonah was digested by a Whale. What matters is what the religion teaches.

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:10 pm

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I don't care about what you do but when religion is causing a whole bunch of fucking turmoil (the dark ages, the islamic revolution, etc) then shit needs to be brought down. Plus I also don't understand the whole picking and choosing things that most christians do. Why not believe the bible 100% and follow everything 100% or not believe in it at all?

1.) Religious extremists =/= religion. That's like saying all Muslims now are Islamic terrorists.

2.) I understand what you mean about that. But, the way I feel is that the Bible is made up of many books written by people who (supposedly) talked to God. So that's not to say that every book in the bible is accurate or real. That's why I just believe in the basic tenets and important aspects of the religion. It doesn't really matter to me if Noah made a gargantuan boat, or if Jonah was digested by a Whale. What matters is what the religion teaches.

Well that's what I meant. It's the religious extremists that fuck up everything.

Still, you don't know which are real or whatever, so why not fall all or none? If you choose to just follow specific ones you could leave off the ones that actually happened and are just following the fakes. That plus most people just choose stuff that benefits them and whatnot (like believing homosexuality is wrong yet sex before marriage is all right)
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:11 pm

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I don't care about what you do but when religion is causing a whole bunch of fucking turmoil (the dark ages, the islamic revolution, etc) then shit needs to be brought down. Plus I also don't understand the whole picking and choosing things that most christians do. Why not believe the bible 100% and follow everything 100% or not believe in it at all?

1.) Religious extremists =/= religion. That's like saying all Muslims now are Islamic terrorists.

This.

Plus, anything can be twisted for gain.

Since this thread is essentially science vs religion, look at the Nazi scientists who "proved" that the Aryans were the superior race. We don't discount all of science because of that...
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:21 pm

Science and religion are not in opposition by definition.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:39 pm

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I don't care about what you do but when religion is causing a whole bunch of fucking turmoil (the dark ages, the islamic revolution, etc) then shit needs to be brought down. Plus I also don't understand the whole picking and choosing things that most christians do. Why not believe the bible 100% and follow everything 100% or not believe in it at all?

1.) Religious extremists =/= religion. That's like saying all Muslims now are Islamic terrorists.

2.) I understand what you mean about that. But, the way I feel is that the Bible is made up of many books written by people who (supposedly) talked to God. So that's not to say that every book in the bible is accurate or real. That's why I just believe in the basic tenets and important aspects of the religion. It doesn't really matter to me if Noah made a gargantuan boat, or if Jonah was digested by a Whale. What matters is what the religion teaches.

Well that's what I meant. It's the religious extremists that fuck up everything.

Still, you don't know which are real or whatever, so why not fall all or none? If you choose to just follow specific ones you could leave off the ones that actually happened and are just following the fakes. That plus most people just choose stuff that benefits them and whatnot (like believing homosexuality is wrong yet sex before marriage is all right)

I'm not sure these people say it's all right, I think these people just don't care. They don't care if it's wrong in their belief system. You know what I mean? It's just them being hypocritical. But I understand full well what you mean. I try not to be hypocritical that way, but I don't care about a lot of stuff like that. I'm not a homosexual, but I don't particularly care if someone else is. And if there's a christian who feels it's okay, It doesn't bother me because it's their belief.

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:09 pm

Christianc churches now do more good than bad nowadays. Did you know that most Christian churches do mission trips to 3rd world countries to improve the inhabitants lives? Wow, what a "horrible" religion
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:15 pm

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Christianc churches now do more good than bad nowadays. Did you know that most Christian churches do mission trips to 3rd world countries to improve the inhabitants lives? Wow, what a "horrible" religion

Only because Christianity is a religion that wants converts.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:16 pm

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Christianc churches now do more good than bad nowadays. Did you know that most Christian churches do mission trips to 3rd world countries to improve the inhabitants lives? Wow, what a "horrible" religion

Only because Christianity is a religion that wants converts.

But what's bad about helping people and teaching them about your beliefs? There's a differencing between teaching and forcing

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:23 pm

And atheists that troll on the internet against Christians aren't trying to convert?
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:30 pm

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Christianc churches now do more good than bad nowadays. Did you know that most Christian churches do mission trips to 3rd world countries to improve the inhabitants lives? Wow, what a "horrible" religion

Only because Christianity is a religion that wants converts.

But what's bad about helping people and teaching them about your beliefs? There's a differencing between teaching and forcing

Nothing I'd say, but I'm pretty sure those missionaries wouldn't have open ears to whatever those people believe

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And atheists that troll on the internet against Christians aren't trying to convert?

No, it's because it's fun.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:36 pm

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Christianc churches now do more good than bad nowadays. Did you know that most Christian churches do mission trips to 3rd world countries to improve the inhabitants lives? Wow, what a "horrible" religion

True. But so do a whole lot of non-religious groups. So it's not like Christians are the sole guiding light of the world or anything.

Plus, as mentioned earlier, converts.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:37 pm

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And atheists that troll on the internet against Christians aren't trying to convert?

Debate =/= conversion.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:44 pm

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And atheists that troll on the internet against Christians aren't trying to convert?

Debate =/= conversion.

Agreed. Although, Taxer is being somewhat of a prick. But it doesn't bother me.

Point being to all of this, the world would be a much better place if people would just let other people believe what they want. People blame religion for the world's problems, but it's really misunderstanding.

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:45 pm

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Taxer is being somewhat of a prick..

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:51 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:41 pm

I don't care for tallying up points for and against the goodness/badness of religion/non-religion.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:14 pm

Nor do I. I'd rather just discuss personal beliefs, it's much more interesting, and a lot less likely to get people pissed.
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:10 am

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Nor do I. I'd rather just discuss personal beliefs, it's much more interesting, and a lot less likely to get people pissed.

Me too. It just seems like I have to list good aspects as a defense at times. I love having theological and spiritual discussions that don't end in a pro/con religious argument.

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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:25 am

http://www.thebricktestament.com//the_law/false_prophets/dt13_01.html
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PostSubject: Re: Evolution argument in 1 picture!   Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:27 am

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Yea, we've got this kick ass trump card when it comes to that line of argument.

Creationists have a 2,000 year old book that's been interpreted differently as many times.

We have a 24,000 pound telescope that orbits the Earth every 96 minutes (25,000 ft/second), and takes pictures of the other end of the universe in three wavelengths.

I know who I'm putting my money on...
the telescope thing made me laugh



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i like this little discussion.
i find it odd that if heaven is so great, and that if i dont convert i will surely go to hell, but if heaven is THAT GREAT why must everyone want to force me to go? why do religious people do bad things? why do prients molest children. why is there cheating, why is there sex outside of marriage? if religious people who want to go to heaven really believe such things, why does it seem that they are corrupt more often than not


and axe, that whole "beleive in heaven is win-win" ideal is my favorite ideal. i forget who it is named after

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