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PostSubject: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:25 pm

This is a widely debated subject, especially in metal, but I am very bored this evening and I'm sorry for the reiteration.

The question of the day is:

Does the message behind the music influence your taste? In other words, do you simply ignore the message/lyrics and listen for the musical aspect, or do you take messages seriously and form an opinion based at least partially on that?

For example, I like a lot of NSBM:



Or even DSBM:



Though I would never take the lyrics to heart or implement them into my own life, I find them at least interesting.

Although bands with Satanic imagery or lyrics about Socialism and suicide often get shoved down for it, bands with Christian imagery get put down even further regardless of the music.



Does the message behind the music influence your taste? In other words, do you simply ignore the message/lyrics and listen for the musical aspect, or do you take messages seriously and form an opinion based at least partially on that?
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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:31 pm

If a band has a message I can get behind and support thats cool. But if I like the music I'm going to listen to the band regardless.
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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:32 pm

The message doesn't necessarily make the music bad. I often ignore lyrics, whether it be seriously Satanic (Deathspell Omega), racist (Arghoslent), or what have you. It only starts to become a problem if bands put more effort into their message moreso than the music. One of the biggest examples of this is Christian music and NSBM. I don't care if you love God or hate Jews, just don't make your music suck because of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:37 pm

Agreed.
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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:44 pm

it affects me (obviously lol)

music is the expression of the ideas and emotions of the writer. if i dont like those ideas, im immediately turned off to the music. the music CAN be good on a sonic level, but in order for me to get actually into something, i have to feel it on an emotional level and thats impossible when i do not agree with it. I like to beleive there is more to music then just notes and rhythms. As an art form, i believe it is the manifestation of the passion of the writer. If this passion is for something i disagree with, i just end up not liking the music. Lyrics dont even have to be involved. If the artist wrote an instrumental piece of music with the intention of pouring in his hatred of other races and whatnot into it, i wont listen to it because thats what that music represents.

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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:48 pm

LOR wrote:
it affects me (obviously lol)

music is the expression of the ideas and emotions of the writer. if i dont like those ideas, im immediately turned off to the music. the music CAN be good on a sonic level, but in order for me to get actually into something, i have to feel it on an emotional level and thats impossible when i do not agree with it. I like to beleive there is more to music then just notes and rhythms. As an art form, i believe it is the manifestation of the passion of the writer. If this passion is for something i disagree with, i just end up not liking the music. Lyrics dont even have to be involved. If the artist wrote an instrumental piece of music with the intention of pouring in his hatred of other races and whatnot into it, i wont listen to it because thats what that music represents.

I guess you must hate Wagner then
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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:48 pm

I'll say it will influence the level with which I get into or involved with a band. But on a basic "I like this song" "I don't like this song" it does not.
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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:03 am

Does it influence my likings?
Yes.

In my eyes music is 100% personal and the experience is affected by many factors, of which not all people value or perceive the same.

Personally I try to take advantage of whatever I can to enjoy music. Similarly I try to overlook whatever would disadvantage the goal of enjoying the experience. So while I do try to overlook messages which I do not like, such is not always possible. On the other hand I take careful note of messages which I do like, even if I don't agree with them.
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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:42 am

Taxer666 wrote:
LOR wrote:
it affects me (obviously lol)

music is the expression of the ideas and emotions of the writer. if i dont like those ideas, im immediately turned off to the music. the music CAN be good on a sonic level, but in order for me to get actually into something, i have to feel it on an emotional level and thats impossible when i do not agree with it. I like to beleive there is more to music then just notes and rhythms. As an art form, i believe it is the manifestation of the passion of the writer. If this passion is for something i disagree with, i just end up not liking the music. Lyrics dont even have to be involved. If the artist wrote an instrumental piece of music with the intention of pouring in his hatred of other races and whatnot into it, i wont listen to it because thats what that music represents.

I guess you must hate Wagner then

i dont really listen to classical really unless i have to. i dont agree with him obviously. BUT COME ON!!!! ITS WAGNER!!!! RIDE OF THE VALKYRIES!!! lol i can appreciate his influence from a musical perspective, not a political or social one, and since i do not really listen to it, it doesnt matter to me. just read blackstars last post. kinda of that thing. you also got to consider the times i guess as well.

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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:42 am

This is a tricky one to say the least. I feel I like I connect more to songs with a certain emotional aspect, or background to them. At the same time, I don't care if a song is about sex, or drugs, or metaphors of demons etc. As long as its not promoting killing people, biggotry...and other bad things I dont mind.

I agree with Blackstar. If I think a song is awesome, but I find out it is about raping a girl...then I would be like

"oh shit, that is fucked up...but this song is soo awesome!!!!"

I wouldn't like the song or the band as much as I previously did...because that is fucked up, but it doesn't take away from the melodies, rhythms etc of the song.

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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:18 am

Does it influence my likings?
Yes

Does it control my likings?
No

I used to be the kind of person that would stay away from music if it was about worshiping Satan and stuff like that, but I don't care anymore. I listen to music if it is good, but if it has a strong message or epic story behind it, the music is improved.

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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:08 pm

I have no idea what most of the bands I listen to are saying so not really.
When I can understand still no most of the time, but if I like the message it obviously is more enjoyful.
That's right
Enjoyful

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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:21 pm

I honestly don't know if messages behind music influences me, maybe subconsciously. I know that I am more creative with my art when I listen to the music I love.
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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:12 pm

breakyoudown wrote:
but if I like the message it obviously is more enjoyful.
did he just say enjoyful?
breakyoudown wrote:
That's right
Enjoyful
ok, just making sure

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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:15 pm

music LYRICS do shit for me. i found out that the horrible (horribly AWESOME! lol) band called Deadlock uses EXTREME ANIMAL RIGHTS lyrics, and it is just sad and bad.
but i still listen to them. I love me some Argohslent on occasion.

but Cannibal Corpse has a message, and their music sucks as well, so thats why i dont like CC.

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PostSubject: Re: Does the message behind music influence your likings?   Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:04 pm

To be honest, no. Not at all.

If the message is a really fucked up one like Argohlesent or something it affects my opinion of the people in the band but not the music itself. If Iron Maiden were raging racists neo nazis, I'd still love them.
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