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PostSubject: The music industry   Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:31 am

The music industry is fine, retails stores are not. I am posing a question to you guys. How are retail stores like HMV and Musicworld going to adapt to downloading music? They already sell other merchandise like: books, clothes, games, movies,posters, etc because they can't survive on just music sales. The price of CD's are dropping steadily, so how can they possibly stay in business? Should the stores go online and become a store of Netflix for music?

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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:37 am

Probably. Stores tend to have high prices, or at least the ones I've been to.
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:57 am

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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:00 pm

Say if downloading music from Youtube was quick and easy, would you pay like $8 a month for unlimited usage?

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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:30 pm

Several places already offer that service. I know Zune offers unlimited download and play for like $12 a month.
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:25 pm

So should HMV just close and go online?

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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:45 pm

Going online comes with the risk of not being able to have a source to check for consistency. I'm not a hardcore audiophile that cares that the .cdi is ripped to the byte but I do appreciate a record that has been released by a group that is then passed to a label and ultimately to the end user.

Retail stores, however, are a thing of the past when it comes to the music industry and should be treated not unlike the floppy disk: the inevitability of available media at a lower cost and a higher capacity.

I just don't trust Apple, Microsoft or any other online retailer with the quality of an audio rip. You never know...
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:40 pm

When these stores inevitably close. You can buy your songs online for 99cents or a hard copy for like $20 for the album plus shipping

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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:59 am

The stores just need to continue to adapt, like they already are. Soon, most media will be a download only thing. Look at games, PSN and Xbox Live, and even WiiWare, offer classic games and even some new releases as a download. Soon publishers will start to weed out hard copies of games to save money. There is always that core group of people who want to have hard copies though, and that's where the stores come into play. I personally don't feel like I own an album unless I have it on CD, Vinyl, etc. Same with movies and games. They're just going to have to offer these at a lower price to ensure that people still purchase them. It's still working. I can download whatever albums I want essentially, but I still go pay for CDs. I would have even more incentive to purchase CDs if they didn't cost twenty dollars each.
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:40 am

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There is always that core group of people who want to have hard copies though, and that's where the stores come into play. I personally don't feel like I own an album unless I have it on CD, Vinyl, etc.
I'm the same about this.
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:53 am

I dunno I've gotten pretty fond of downloads. After a while and a whole shit ton of space taken up downloads are pretty nice. Not saying I don't still browse and buy physical CD's and records theres just a lot of things I realized I really could care less if I physically possess plus most of my music listening is coming from computer and iPod anyway. And at trilithonian the D/L's from iTunes and Amazon I both use frequently and are of the exact audio quality of the CD having downloaded old school hardcore punk and brand new stuff it sounds exactly the same as the hard copy.
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:55 pm

sorry, I don't buy it: when all those rips have no checksum I'm not convinced that it's been ripped properly, especially when Apple encode the audio further using their own "lossless" (see: face value) audio format. I don't know about Amazon so feel free to put a stake in me on that one

all I'm trying to say is support the people who are putting their time into this than try to push for the availability of online-only releases by juggernaut distributors or, worse, short-hand independent labels that aren't completely apt in the way of audio encoding.

it sucks for the band and it sucks for the listener if something comes botched: a promo version of a CD that was pushed around for Dagoba's latest sounded completely shit and it was due to the fault of a bad rip. this isn't just one band getting shit on, this is just one example of how a download society isn't to the sum of the real album

yeah shipping is a bitch and nobody likes it, but it's the price you pay for quality

I dare to remind you of limewire/kazaa/public bittorrent sites that have 96k/128k versions of albums out there if you need another incentive as to why it's not the best idea in the world. think companies are much smarter? I don't
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:01 pm

I don't downloads
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:23 pm

I don't mean it like that: I'm not trying to peg downloading as an evil thing at all, it's just that 9 times out of 10 you're getting webshit
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:13 pm

When I want to get a CD I usually order it online. I never pay to download music. The online stores tend to have better prices.
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:20 pm

THEPIRATEBAY.ORG FTW

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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:01 am

trilithonian wrote:
sorry, I don't buy it: when all those rips have no checksum I'm not convinced that it's been ripped properly, especially when Apple encode the audio further using their own "lossless" (see: face value) audio format. I don't know about Amazon so feel free to put a stake in me on that one

all I'm trying to say is support the people who are putting their time into this than try to push for the availability of online-only releases by juggernaut distributors or, worse, short-hand independent labels that aren't completely apt in the way of audio encoding.

it sucks for the band and it sucks for the listener if something comes botched: a promo version of a CD that was pushed around for Dagoba's latest sounded completely shit and it was due to the fault of a bad rip. this isn't just one band getting shit on, this is just one example of how a download society isn't to the sum of the real album

yeah shipping is a bitch and nobody likes it, but it's the price you pay for quality

I dare to remind you of limewire/kazaa/public bittorrent sites that have 96k/128k versions of albums out there if you need another incentive as to why it's not the best idea in the world. think companies are much smarter? I don't

I've never had an issue with Amazon or iTunes as stated previously. I'm a music technology major so I come from an audiophile standpoint
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:58 am

I don't understand paying for a download. You don't own anything that way.
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:44 am

blackstar: then inform me as to where I'm wrong merely than putting your title over my head, please

I'm not trying to sound pretentious or condescending, I want to be proven wrong; how are their file formats representative of a hard copy
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:14 pm

Wasn't trying to say "ooooh like at mah title" Just saying I also come from an audiophile standpoint. And I just really have never had an issue with any of the D/L formats and being low quality. I can't just quote like a scientific or technological proof just ear proof. Been super busy lately and failed to notice that it had even been responded too lol.
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Fri May 13, 2011 1:30 pm

This looked like an interesting thread especially as HMV are trying to off load Waterstones books at the moment. Youngest daughter works at Waterstones and a year ago they installed an ebook machine in her store. I have nothing against e books I even have Alice reading his own book Golf Monster which is great and the perfect pressie for any Cooper fan!

I couldn't actually get it though, sell e books in a bookstore? Now they are wondering why the bookstore is losing money.
My daughter is at cracking point as she put it "how can it be a bookstore now mum? We have 1 copy of Catcher of the Rye and no To Kill a Mocking Bird in stock but crates of Katie Prices latest ghost written load of shit through the back! How is that a bloody BOOK?" Okay thats a very edited version of her rant but she is very passionate about her books, you don't mess with her Books or her Guitar's. Well not if you like life! HMV sell itunes cards but still sell CD's so it doesn't seem the same effect is invading music yet. I don't think it will either to be honest. I know my computer could die and every tune can vanish in an instant but I will still have my CDs and my ipod gets charged straight from a plug. One thing I can not survive without is my music, whether I am listening to Planet Rock or Spotify, my ipod I will always have music! I do think that Spotify is going to give itunes and HMV a run for their money though 4.99 a month for just about any track you want, on your computer, MP3 and mobile! or if you can handle an advert every few tracks free? itunes must be missing me! As I'm just putting CDs into my itunes and practically no money. (got a fifteen quid card for my birthday and spent the last of it buying a great Alterbridge track, birthday in Dec!)
Since I don't have much choice to where I can go and do Spotify, facebook and now here works for me!

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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Fri May 13, 2011 3:15 pm

I seem to argue for all available points on this one.

On the one side if I'm acquiring music from a band signed to a major label I'm very happy to download their stuff illigally knowing they'll live a comfy life just off scene kid t-shirt sales and tour money.

If on the other hand the music is by a lesser known band on an underground label I will go out of my way to obtain a physical copy of the album (vinyl if possible) to try to help a struggling band out. I usually end up buying off band websites, so their are a few online speciality stores worth using.

As an audiophile I will always chose vinyl over any other media, but these days as long as you have a decent set of earphones it matters little as to which source you get your sounds from, just so long as the compression isn't too bad on digital media. I mean I use iTunes and an iPod but with say Sony MDR phones on pretty much everything sounds amazing, though admittedly can never generate the warmth of vinyl.

As for stores still selling CDs, well time moves on, you either go with it or become irrelevant. A surprising fact you may not know though is that vinyl sales are going through the roof these days... I know a few specialist stores who are doing very well at the minute. Time may be moving but it just might be going backwards!
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Sat May 14, 2011 9:40 pm

Oh I know the value of vinyl which otherhalf has bought for 40 years and it's in all sorts of music not just the rock. No one touches the vinyl ever except him and not one scratch on any album, 12 and 7 inch of which there are many all in the plastic covers he used to buy everytime he got an album. He was very smart at what imports, special editions. When Michael Jackson died, we were skint and 7 unplayed on years albums got us over 600 on ebay. Sad but true who am I to scoff at a mint gatefold sleeve Off the Wall, with strictly limited 7in picture disc of You can't Win from the Wizz did the majority of that money that got the kids Christmas!

I don't know what's sadder my hubby doesn't just like Rock and Metal or he point nlank refuses (it's really unfair) to let me flogg his Luther Vandross or Stevie Wonder cos I know some of those are worth loads because of the label there on! He has records older than me!

I won't let him touch the hundreds of cd singles though either as the deletion times on some of them was less than 5 weeks, limited runs and 1st pressings. He put my Hawkwind album up for and got 47, which was an action that couldn't be ignored so I retaliated by listing 9 Nine Inch Nails albums for sale on the 9 of September 2009! Made more than he did but We called a truce when he listed 3 Bruce Dickenson albums including the Best of! I might have killed him if I hadn't been able to stop that auction!

My own vinyl is in the loft scratched to hell with inner sleeves missing and some with no sleeves at all! pmsl
My hubby has been wanting September to end since the first year I got online it's how I pay for new music, games and DVDs for Christmas!
I don't know if I would buy Vinyl though did consider getting Alice Coopers KHA but skint is skint!


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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Sun May 15, 2011 5:01 am

I have most of Cooper's good material (it pains me to say it, but there have been some misses, no one's perfect) including the Japanese version of Love It To Death, which is worth about 200 I think. Paid 30 Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Sun May 15, 2011 11:45 am

Well he does admit that there are a few albums he doesn't remember making in his book! There are also songs he will not sing from Trash because they are against his beliefs!

I fell in love with Billion Dollar Babies but didn't see him tour until the Brutal Planet and I could see some of the older fans looking and maybe thinking they needed to find him a 12 step meeting or something quick but I was just WHOA THIS IS BLOODY GENIUS!

Sadly when my hubby left his first wife who he found with his so called best mate (and not in the kitchen) taking his Cooper Vinyl he'd had since he was 14 was not at the top of his list of what to grab! He didn't have a cat so I suppose that might have gave him hope he would see them again!

My violent junkie ex? well before I left with my daughter, my cat and I had fun! One particular blue vinyl Who album you can't buy with much change from a couple of Grand now! Well I was black and blue, when I told him I thought I was pregnant again. He disapeared for 3 days because he'd strangled me but was too thick to check for a pulse!


When I came to it took less than 5 secs to decide I was out! I didn't like him, his drugs or most of his music! I loved The Who but the cat was bored my jaw and ribs and throat were bloody sore! I could claim temp insanity but nope, I knew exactly what Floyd (my loyal little fluff ball) was thinking when I put the record on, took the needle off and put cat food in the centre of the turntable! It wasn't some DJ who started the whole 'scratch' thing that was invented by a cat called Floyd from Scotland! A little furry DJ saved my life that night! lol

We were long gone by the time he had got the bottle up to go back to the flat, with his cousin 3 days later. I wish they'd had web cams back then as he went in expecting to find a screaming 16 mth old in her cot and a corpse in the living room. He also needed to get the huge bag of weed that some 'don't mess with guy' from Glasgow had fronted him. That guy was the first guy I saw after that night and he was nice, touched my chin ever so gentle said 'he do this?' I'll sort that too! then left muttering something about money,weed and knees?

Honestly they were well back on the motorway by the time I was crawling back to my parents who had told me so but thankfully never said it! Then found that bag of weed in the baby changing bag. ( well where else would he hide it!) of course my friend and I rushed to get it back to the plank so some poor guy from Glasgow who I only met that one time got his stolen stuff back. Though that might just have been the smoking thinking! Well I only thought I was pregnant at that point! It was confirmed a week later but I had back up with me as it shouted "you'll be getting rid of that for a start" across the hospital carpark. I didn't need the back up though as he was on crutches for some reason??

Then I had fun for a couple of years and I married my best friend the man who moved in next door! Who played that Billion Dollar Babies for me! Accepted that in the Rockers v Mods I was a winner and I was definitely a Rocker!

I know hubby has wondered if I married him or the record/cd collection and he doesn't ever wonder what would happen to that collection, if he crossed the lines the plank did! Which he never will, its why I love him!

I didn't stop at just that one record that morning either, Floyd was having too much fun! Then 20 years later I click into an auction and just sat watching as the bids kept going up and up. I was laughing so hard that I couldn't speak, tears down the face an everything! He only ever got assessed for 2500 for child support and they are still chasing him for that but I guess he could make a case that I had 1895.15 worth of that on ebay last year!

Brilliant thing about it all, I now know how great the vinyl is and well hubby's scared of what I am capable of! fight 🤣


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PostSubject: Re: The music industry   Fri May 20, 2011 1:17 am

The one thing a download cant give you is the art work in your hand .. Im from the time when you got an album you put it on had the liner notes in your hand checking out the art work and just being a fan .. I still buy alot of cd's and download alot . i only download stuff to check it out then i buy what i dig ..
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