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PostSubject: Black Sabbath Sig   Sat May 14, 2011 10:26 pm

Anybody have ideas on what I could use as a background? Or should I leave it the way it is? Or if you think something about it sucks, tell me.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sat May 14, 2011 11:27 pm

you could find a more epic pic for bill

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 15, 2011 12:12 am

You're right, but it took me a while just to find that one. There aren't many pictures of him playing drums that are in color. I'll look around
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 15, 2011 1:40 am

You forgot Tony Martin

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 15, 2011 12:20 pm

How is that not a awesome picture of bill? A old metal dude playing metal in a sweater vest? That's awesome.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 15, 2011 1:14 pm

I was going for the two most famous singers of the band. Otherwise, I'd have Rob Halford as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 15, 2011 3:14 pm

Yeah but Tony Martin recorded a few spectacular albums with Sabbath

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 15, 2011 6:25 pm

Why didn't you use this picture for Bill Ward? It's even the first one that pops up on google images.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 15, 2011 7:04 pm



nah, this is more metal

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 15, 2011 8:18 pm

Whoa.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 15, 2011 11:26 pm

I'd reduce the opacity on most of them

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 15, 2011 11:40 pm

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Whoa.

i know. i feel it too

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 17, 2011 6:53 pm

Needs more Dio.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Wed May 18, 2011 9:27 pm

You could also add Ian Gillan, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillen, But i would just add Tony Martin .. Tony Martin was with them on 5 albums .. Great singer and never gets any props ..
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Thu May 19, 2011 6:20 pm

As I said it, it would be to difficult to add everybody in there and make it look good. So I went with Sabbath's most popular members
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 29, 2011 1:13 am

Dio in Black Sabbath was not Black Sabbath. only when Ozzy was in Black Sabbath, was it truly Black Sabbath.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 29, 2011 3:10 am

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Dio in Black Sabbath was not Black Sabbath. only when Ozzy was in Black Sabbath, was it truly Black Sabbath.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Sun May 29, 2011 8:06 pm

May have been different, but it didn't stop it from being awesome.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Mon May 30, 2011 12:22 pm

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May have been different, but it didn't stop it from being awesome.
It lost all of its evil, it had too much folky, fantasy, and happy things going on, which was not their thing. I hear a Black Sabbath song from the Dio era and all I can think is, oh, forerunner to Holy Diver.

The band became Dio, not Black Sabbath.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Mon May 30, 2011 12:29 pm

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nah, this is more metal
Wooahhh, my Aunt has that same dish set he's using. Has all kinds of flowers and butterflies on them
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Mon May 30, 2011 2:49 pm

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nah, this is more metal
Wooahhh, my Aunt has that same dish set he's using. Has all kinds of flowers and butterflies on them

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Mon May 30, 2011 8:17 pm

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May have been different, but it didn't stop it from being awesome.
It lost all of its evil, it had too much folky, fantasy, and happy things going on, which was not their thing. I hear a Black Sabbath song from the Dio era and all I can think is, oh, forerunner to Holy Diver.

The band became Dio, not Black Sabbath.
And? It was good.

Plus, may I direct you to Heaven And Hell, sir?



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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Mon May 30, 2011 9:29 pm

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May have been different, but it didn't stop it from being awesome.
It lost all of its evil, it had too much folky, fantasy, and happy things going on, which was not their thing. I hear a Black Sabbath song from the Dio era and all I can think is, oh, forerunner to Holy Diver.

The band became Dio, not Black Sabbath.
And? It was good.

Plus, may I direct you to Heaven And Hell, sir?



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No, it was terrible. How do you go from the most evil song ever written, Black Sabbath's Black Sabbath (I know that's debatable, but it featured the tritone and was the invention of metal), to Black Sabbath's Turn Up the Night? POWER METAL.

And no, Heaven and Hell is an entirely different band.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Mon May 30, 2011 9:45 pm

Heaven And Hell is Black Sabbath with a different name, man. And awesome at that. They may have gone in an entirely different direction after Ozzy left, but really, do you think Heaven And Hell, which is, in my opinion as well as many others', an essential album in the development of metal, was worse than Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die? That formula may have been brilliant at one point but it had long grown stale by then.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Mon May 30, 2011 10:04 pm

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Heaven And Hell is Black Sabbath with a different name, man. And awesome at that. They may have gone in an entirely different direction after Ozzy left, but really, do you think Heaven And Hell, which is, in my opinion as well as many others', an essential album in the development of metal, was worse than Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die? That formula may have been brilliant at one point but it had long grown stale by then.
A band with a different name and a different style from the former is an entirely different band. And yes, I think everything after Master of Reality is kinda sucky, their first three, maybe Vol. 4, were masterpieces, after that, bleh, I hold no allegiance to that Black Sabbath.


And just to throw it out there, I hate Ozzy's solo career, only liked him with Black Sabbath, sure, he's had some good songs, but whatever.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Mon May 30, 2011 10:14 pm

Essential Black Sabbath albums: Black Sabbath, Paranoid, Master of Reality, Vol. 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Sabotage, Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules, Tyr, and Dehumanizer.

If you don't like those albums, then gtfo you're doing it wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Mon May 30, 2011 10:15 pm

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Essential Black Sabbath albums: Black Sabbath, Paranoid, Master of Reality, Vol. 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Sabotage, Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules, Tyr, and Dehumanizer.

If you don't like those albums, then gtfo you're doing it wrong.
Nope. You don't even know.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Mon May 30, 2011 11:39 pm

im with bloodbeaast on this. i like heaven and hell but thats def more power metal than the original sabbath stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 12:50 am

Power metal? Heaven and Hell is total trad bro; both trad and doomy like Ozzy Sabbath.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 1:01 am

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Power metal? Heaven and Hell is total trad bro; both trad and doomy like Ozzy Sabbath.
Nope, it was total power metal, complete with spandex.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 1:33 am

Does this



sound like this?

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 1:40 am

See, I don't mind Blind Guardian, that is, a song very seldomly, because they tried to be power metal.

That Sabbath Song was still power metal with slightly heavier riffs.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 1:42 am

Alright, you're clearly deaf, stupid, and/or trolling. Gtfo I'm done with you.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 1:47 am

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Alright, you're clearly deaf, stupid, and/or trolling. Gtfo I'm done with you.
Deaf? DEAF? Sorry, couldn't hear you, needed to verify, the high pitched singing of Dio's voice popped my ear drums. Power metal, dude.


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CONFLICTING OPINION, DIS GUY OBVIOUSLY TROLLING. OBVIOUS TROLL SO OBVIOUS. GTFO. STFU TROLL.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 1:50 am

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Taxer666 wrote:
Alright, you're clearly deaf, stupid, and/or trolling. Gtfo I'm done with you.
Deaf? DEAF? Sorry, couldn't hear you, needed to verify, the high pitched singing of Dio's voice popped my ear drums. Power metal, dude.


And what's this? Trollsmith irritated? Is my blatant non-trolling getting you mad?

CONFLICTING OPINION, DIS GUY OBVIOUSLY TROLLING. OBVIOUS TROLL SO OBVIOUS. GTFO. STFU TROLL.

RIFFS. FUCKING RIFFS. Vocal melodies are pretty much insignificant. I don't care how high Dio's vocals are, the RIFFS are CLEARLY that of Ozzy-era Sabbath. It's even FUCKING SLOW. GOD. DAMMIT.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 1:53 am

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Bloodbeast wrote:
Taxer666 wrote:
Alright, you're clearly deaf, stupid, and/or trolling. Gtfo I'm done with you.
Deaf? DEAF? Sorry, couldn't hear you, needed to verify, the high pitched singing of Dio's voice popped my ear drums. Power metal, dude.


And what's this? Trollsmith irritated? Is my blatant non-trolling getting you mad?

CONFLICTING OPINION, DIS GUY OBVIOUSLY TROLLING. OBVIOUS TROLL SO OBVIOUS. GTFO. STFU TROLL.

RIFFS. FUCKING RIFFS. Vocal melodies are pretty much insignificant. I don't care how high Dio's vocals are, the RIFFS are CLEARLY that of Ozzy-era Sabbath. It's even FUCKING SLOW. GOD. DAMMIT.
BUT DUDE, I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE WITH ME, WHY YOU KEEP ARGUING?


Besides, that's only one song from the Dio era.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 1:59 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJQQWbr4cXM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMSI9kal5jg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgjmxYL04V4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcmiloYCF9k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEfcHnAUKvo]
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 2:19 am

1. Acoustic guitar intro, just like a lot of Blind Guardian songs, hmmmm. Don't know why but it made me think of the Eagles. Typical Dio era riffs afterwards, nothing stood out.

2. Started off kinda strong with the solo guitar part, after that, nothing much to say.

3. Pretty alright acoustic jam, still can't hold a candle to Planet Caravan.

4. First part wasn't good, but when the second part came in it was better, until Dio's voice came in.

5. This song somewhat upheld the integrity of old Black Sabbath.

6. What the fuck is? I really don't have much to say.

7. Again, not much to say.

But seriously, I given all these a good listen, and they are all palled by Ozzy Sabbath:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwWMKC3U01w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkGZGPmOcFk
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 2:26 am

While we disagree with the quality, my biggest beef was that you were calling Dio-era Sabbath power metal, which is clearly not the case.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 2:34 pm

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Power metal? Heaven and Hell is total trad bro; both trad and doomy like Ozzy Sabbath.

MORE power-metally. not entirely power-metal. that would be wrong in my opinion. trad and powermetal have shared roots if im not mistaken and the chorus has got that powerry (now a word) vibe to me.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Tue May 31, 2011 6:01 pm

Yeah, no. That would be like me calling something death-metal-y just because something sounds thrashy because death and thrash have shared roots.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:28 am

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Power metal? Heaven and Hell is total trad bro; both trad and doomy like Ozzy Sabbath.

MORE power-metally. not entirely power-metal. that would be wrong in my opinion. trad and powermetal have shared roots if im not mistaken and the chorus has got that powerry (now a word) vibe to me.
I agree with with LOR, music genres share roots, thus they can have sounds quite similar, even borderline on another genre, obviously.

Ghoul, for example, is thrash metal, but they sound very death-metal-y at time.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:38 am

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Yeah, no. That would be like me calling something death-metal-y just because something sounds thrashy because death and thrash have shared roots.

dude come one, the chorus to heaven and hell def has that epic power-metally vibe. The progression is also on the majestic side of things- def not your typical tritone-laden kinda sabbath thing. majestic chorus is majestic. p

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:24 am

Good chorus, so it isn't power metal because power metal is bad
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:54 am

hey guys im taxer, im incapable of reaching nice conclusions on music discussions because im have my own arbitrary and elitist agenda to follow. christians are my role models in this respect. YOU FUCKING HIPSTER

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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:32 pm

WTF Iron Maiden are more power metal than Dio era Sabbath. Cheesey + clean high pitched vocals doesn't equal power metal. Most trad metal is fairly cheesey anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:32 pm

And can I just say...holy fucking shit I'm arguing on Taxer's side...
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:48 am

cheers

That's because you're starting to actually understand metal
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:22 am

Taxer666 wrote:
cheers

That's because you're starting to actually understand metal
I don't think you know the difference between metal and medal.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Sabbath Sig   Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:28 am

I don't think you know anything.
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