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PostSubject: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:44 pm

http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/welcome-to-little-russia-335065.html

pretty upsetting. My heritage is ukrainian, and I have family there. Its amazing the kind bullshit they are getting away with

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:23 am

A regrettable state of affairs for their political strata, but Ukraine's government has always had the ghosts of Soviet Russia guiding them. It was but a matter of time before their government became sanctimonious.

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:31 am

Libel - a crime? Oh jesus

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:27 pm

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A regrettable state of affairs for their political strata, but Ukraine's government has always had the ghosts of Soviet Russia guiding them. It was but a matter of time before their government became sanctimonious.

more than ghosts. One election I heard that like 450% of the population turned out to vote one time. Its complete and utter corruption with ballot stuffing and all

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:28 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:33 pm

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http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/welcome-to-little-russia-335065.html

pretty upsetting.  My heritage is ukrainian, and I have family there.  Its amazing the kind bullshit they are getting away with

I am also of Ukrainian descent, but most of my family left a bit before the Holodomor. I knew Ukraine was in a very bad place economically and politically, but it's just getting ridiculous. I am hoping that this leads to something positive, but it seems so bleak at the moment. I feel so sorry for the people stuck there.
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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:39 am

Looks like their bid with the EU can only go one of two ways: a military coup that integrates their government with the whole of the union or the rioters are abated into the den of false diplomacy with the Russian government. I wonder why this isn't being covered more. This is a serious violation of basic human rights. I'm not saying violence is the answer to a corrupted government, but pit against a deaf adversary it's the only answer you have.

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:29 pm

3 people have died already.  the police are using live ammunition on the protesters.  The government made it illegal to protest, To be in a line of cars more than 5, to wear masks or helmets or anything that would be specifically brought to a protest.  People in the vicinity of the protests are getting text messages that read "Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.” fucking creepy...  its seriously out of control.

im not sure if violence is the answer, but the Ukrainian people need more support from the rest of the free world to try and have a legitimate democracy. The government is absolutely horrific, and the ways things have been going, if things aren't monitored, corruption will be allowed to continue with the bribes and ballot-stuffing and bullshit laws.

Not so sure if just taking down the president would do anything, there's probably hundreds lined up to take his place.

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:53 pm

It's uncanny how when freedoms are robbed, the people become disquieted. It makes me wonder if we'll ever see turmoil to this scale again. With the encroaching threat to privacy, firearms control and distribution, and the disrepair the current government is in, I believe we're on the cusp of a very similar situation. Washington's going to raise some hell come 2016/2020.

Ukraine has been dealing with this for more than 10 years, and never since the republic formed had they any semblance of peace. You can't help but feel when they seceded from the USSR that they painted a target on their back. I hope the nations of the world pay attention to governments like Greece and Ukraine: they're a stone's throw away from the didactic, iron-fist leadership in North Korea.

Where's the foreign support for the Ukrainian rebellion? Are they waiting for an actual insurrection? The US may not be the first to the table when it comes to talks of sanctions, negotiations and the like, but certainly the UN would seek to intervene at this point. We seem so entrenched in Israel and their immediate neighborhood to give a damn about the rest of the world, but what about everyone else? What's the excuse for the blind eye?

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:43 pm

ukraine has been dealing with this for well over 10 years. Ever since...forever, russia has had its in hand in ukrainian affairs, and along with that- corruption. There was a moment of hope in 2004, but that was short-lived and wasn't anything anybody thought it would be. I'm surprised no one is intervening yet as well. Everyone is asking for some negotiation talk and no one is answering the call.

but I think I have to agree with you on our country. I wouldn't be surprised if something happened by 2020.

also this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0zD3pOG-Tk

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:14 pm

I said that in a very roundabout fashion - it's just that this recent outcrop of censorship law is a relatively recent development in respect to the formation of the republic and its throes for independence.

That video is awful. What was the point of that? To make an example out of the protest?

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:34 pm

yeah not good. heard they are being given bonuses to torture people and stuff.... hopefully thats not true because that would be a sign of just complete and utter... uhm...bullshit.

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:26 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:54 pm

So, they're not vying for EU membership. The west's media outlets are already poisoned if this report is to be believed, but that's no surprise when it comes to foreign affairs. Spin it as hard as you can, as fast as you can - but only to an extent. This goes beyond that extent. This is asking for a coup, and these people need one.

My heart goes out to these people. The basic right to life has been made null thanks to the "Family" business. Go fucking figure.

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:19 pm

Yeah... he totally sucks. hopefully someone intervenes and helps out. Human rights are being violated.

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:14 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ8RKhD2WYo
looking at videos of the brutality is totally different from pictures. this is evil

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:14 am

prime minister resigned and they repealed the anti-protest laws!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25923199

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:22 am

I'm lazy and didn't keep up with any of this.
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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:11 pm

Same, I read the first article. Lor want to provide a link where everything is in one place or give a mini summary?

This seems to be the biggest event occurring right now, and had next to no coverage in comparison to the Biebs being arrested.

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:35 am

im pretty sure that was the plan.  theres always some stupid celebrity bullshit going on the same exact moment something huge is happening elsewhere in the world.

i havent seen any recent links.  the past few though sum up everything I know pretty well.  some of the pics are insane too

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:36 pm

He's probably going to go to rehab - get a free pass. Lay low for a few months.
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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:24 am

Hitler did the same thing, yes?

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:37 am

Man, I didn't even find Schindler's List to be a sad movie. I thought Millionaire Dollar Baby was worse. Godamn - that last Act of that movie was the worst

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:06 pm

so the government is using snipers on the protestors now... wtf

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:33 pm

so things were looking up for a brief moment...but now...holy fuck. this is insanity
http://news.msn.com/world/ukraine-mobilizes-after-putins-declaration-of-war

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:19 pm

Didn't help that President Obama said something along the lines of "there will be consequences." Seems to me that democratic concerns are falling by the wayside in favor of a more attractive approach to problem solving: genocide.

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:56 am

i'm getting world war III/ cold war II vibes right now. Ukraine has issued a draft for all able-bodied men to prepare for potential war (or so I heard)

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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:16 pm

Lol, I will be in Bulgaria soon so I am kind of hoping inb4 shitstorm.
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PostSubject: Re: Ukraine... where did human rights go?   Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:49 pm

o shit man, good luck! and long time no see...or whatever...internet

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